Wealthy movie star on TV: “Have you ever ever been unhappy? You may need melancholy.” If eventualities like this make you wish to throw a rock at a window, you aren’t alone. In at this time’s episode, Gabe expresses his distaste for celebrities posing because the “face” of psychological sickness. He feels additional validated after watching a satirical episode of BoJack Horseman, by which Mr. Peanutbutter, a cheerful canine movie star, turns into the brand new face of melancholy — first as a “unhappy canine” meme and then as a melancholy spokesperson.

What do you suppose? Tune in to listen to Jackie and Gabe get right into a considerate dialogue on whether or not celebrities appearing because the “face” of psychological sickness is an effective or dangerous factor.

(Transcript Accessible Beneath)


About The Not Loopy Podcast Hosts

Gabe Howard is an award-winning author and speaker who lives with bipolar dysfunction. He’s the creator of the favored ebook, Mental Sickness is an Asshole and different Observations, out there from Amazon; signed copies are additionally out there immediately from Gabe Howard. To study extra, please go to his web site, gabehoward.com.





Jackie Zimmerman has been within the affected person advocacy recreation for over a decade and has established herself as an authority on persistent sickness, patient-centric healthcare, and affected person group constructing. She lives with a number of sclerosis, ulcerative colitis, and melancholy.

Yow will discover her on-line at JackieZimmerman.co, Twitter, Fb, and LinkedIn.



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Announcer: You’re listening to Not Loopy, a Psych Central podcast. And listed here are your hosts, Jackie Zimmerman and Gabe Howard.

Gabe: Hey, everybody, and welcome to Not Loopy. I’m right here with my co-host, Jackie, who lives with main melancholy.

Jackie: And my co-host, Gabe, who lives with bipolar dysfunction.

Gabe: And at this time we’re going to speak about BoJack Horseman. The present is ending. The present’s on Netflix. Most individuals have heard of it, but it surely did one thing thrilling. Longtime followers of the present know that there’s this factor that I dislike and they form of did it on BoJack, which validated me in ways in which I can’t clarify. It simply made me so comfortable, Jackie.

Jackie: A lot so that you simply despatched me a textual content that mentioned, have you ever seen this? And I used to be like, no. And then you definately mentioned, I really feel so heard and validated. We should speak about this. And I mentioned, OK, superb.

Gabe: And also you agreed to observe three episodes of a present that you simply’d by no means watched earlier than. What did you consider it? Did you just like the present?

Jackie: I hated it.

Gabe: Hate is a powerful phrase.

Jackie: I actually hated it.

Gabe: Okay. However Adam preferred it.

Jackie: Adam and I watched it collectively and Adam cursed Gabe just a few occasions, like, why the fuck did Gabe inform us to observe this present? The final consensus over right here, it’s fairly terrible.

Gabe: It’s a very talked-about present and individuals are unhappy that it’s being canceled after listening to Jackie’s scathingly imply overview. I type of want BoJack was actual as a result of he’d be like, Not Loopy podcast. I hated it. It was terrible. After which he’d drink and go out drunk, which when you’re a fan of the present, is hilarious, however only a meaningless apart that makes Gabe very, very comfortable.

Jackie: Nicely, you requested me to observe three episodes. I fell asleep by two of them. However I’ll say that the second that I noticed what you have been speaking about, I acknowledged it and I used to be like, OK, I see you. So do you wish to inform everyone what occurred?

Gabe: To again up just a bit bit, BoJack Horseman, it’s a cartoon and the entire characters are very one dimensional. BoJack, he was well-known. He’s narcissistic. He’s an alcoholic. And he has melancholy. And that’s simply who he’s. The character that we’re gonna be speaking about for the rest of the present is a personality referred to as Mr. Peanutbutter. Mr. Peanutbutter can be well-known. He’s additionally an actor. He’s a yellow golden retriever. And he’s very comfortable. He’s principally my spouse as a cartoon character. He’s simply everlasting sunshine. He’s Pollyanna. It doesn’t matter what occurs on the earth, he can discover the great in it. And that’s his one dimensional character.

Jackie: This character’s so comfortable and constructive that within the present they’re looking for methods to maintain him within the public eye or one thing. I don’t know, I fell asleep. However his assistant possibly, I don’t know, someone was like, we’ll make these memes together with your face on them. And the memes have been unhappy canine memes. And he was like, I’m not a tragic canine. I don’t like these. I can’t relate to them as a result of I’m not unhappy. Like his entire level on the present is to be like a peppy canine.

Gabe: Yeah, he’s an awfully comfortable canine and he’s well-known. That’s all you could know. They do discover a image. Only a single image of him trying unhappy. They usually make their memes. They’re referred to as the unhappy canine memes and social media being what it’s, it takes off like gangbusters. The unhappy canine meme is all over the place. Individuals find it irresistible. And that offers him a small quantity, only a tiny quantity, of notoriety as a tragic canine. And unhappiness is a fast leap over to melancholy. Mr. Peanutbutter has melancholy. So the powers that be determine that they wish to make him within the face of melancholy and they pay him to go on tour and to make PSA’s and to do all of these things to advance the reason for psychological well being advocacy, of getting checked for melancholy. For this man who doesn’t have it.

Jackie: And Gabe is so livid that they’ve given a cartoon canine, this stance the place he’s the face of melancholy, which is ridiculous. That is the place I used to be like, OK, I see what Gabe is speaking about. The place someone who in all probability just isn’t clinically depressed

Gabe: No, there’s no in all probability. He doesn’t. He doesn’t have it.

Jackie: Nicely, I meant like in like actual life. Like transferring to actual life, not cartoon world now, the face of psychological sickness slash melancholy in large psychological sickness advocacy areas, celebrities who could or could not reside with an precise psychological sickness, who at the moment are talking on behalf of us, for us, to the entire world for tons and plenty of cash. So I see your level. However – no, that’s it. I simply I see your level.

Gabe: Within the present, Mr. Peanutbutter really has a dialog the place he says, look, I don’t have melancholy, and the one that is making an attempt to encourage him to take this money seize says, properly, that’s one of many hallmarks of melancholy, not pondering that you’ve melancholy. So I ought to level out that within the present, he’s form of tricked into being the face of melancholy. However I wish to be clear, he doesn’t have melancholy. He’s not depressed. He’s by no means been mentally unwell. None of this stuff are true. However he turns into the face of melancholy and individuals begin listening to him on what he thinks they need to do and the world ought to do to be higher. And out of the blue he turns into the professional. This canine who has no psychological sickness, who’s by no means suffered from melancholy, who’s by no means researched melancholy, who just isn’t a health care provider, a therapist. He’s by no means even been a psychological well being advocate. The entire sudden turns into who individuals are listening to to get their info and to make their psychological well being choices. I see this occurring in the actual world on a regular basis and it drives me loopy. In equity, for 2 causes. One, as a result of I would like all that cash not going to lie. I would like the cash. It needs to be me. However two, as a result of that is harmful. We’re following individuals who don’t perceive our lives, who don’t perceive what they’re doing or speaking about. And we’re listening to them as if their opinions or info is correct and legitimate. I imagine that hurts individuals.

Jackie: Okay, questions. First query. Let’s say these spokespeople don’t reside with psychological sickness. However what if they only actually help the trigger? They’ve a liked one with psychological sickness?

Gabe: Then say that. We see this within the case of Deliver Change to Thoughts and Glenn Shut. Glenn Shut helps her sister and her nephew, who reside with extreme and persistent psychological sickness. Glenn Shut says that. She based a corporation. She offers a stage to individuals like her sister, who lives with bipolar dysfunction, and her nephew, who lives with schizoaffective dysfunction, and helps them get their message on the market. I feel that that could be a very constructive use of movie star and yeah, I’m a fan of Glenn Shut.

Jackie: Nicely, mee, too. Who isn’t, proper? However subsequent query, even when they aren’t someone who lives with, however they’re someone with plenty of clout. They’re well-known. They’re tremendous well-known and they’re bringing consideration to the trigger and or group. Possibly fundraising for some huge cash, is it actually so dangerous?

Gabe: So sure and no, proper? In your instance, you’re like they’ve plenty of clout. They’re bringing plenty of consideration and they’re elevating some huge cash. Is that dangerous? No. In case you think about these 4 issues then no, after all not. The place would that be dangerous? However that’s usually not what’s occurring. As a result of if that was occurring, you in all probability wouldn’t know they have been behind it. The variety of those who don’t understand that Glenn Shut began Deliver Change to Thoughts is staggering as a result of she’s not entrance and heart. The group is I’m speaking concerning the individuals which might be charging $25,000 for speeches, who’re travelling the circuit, who’re doing PSA’s. However, I nearly query who wrote this stuff. They don’t even look correct. Are you feeling unhappy? You may need melancholy. Why are we equating unhappiness and melancholy? That is like saying, are you feeling moist? You is perhaps drowning. There’s a world of distinction between having water in your pores and skin and drowning. However that is the type of misinformation that will get perpetuated by, I’m gonna say, well-meaning individuals. However simply since you’re a star, that makes you a superb movie star. It doesn’t make you a superb spokesperson for an sickness. And I don’t suppose individuals have an understanding of this as a result of celebrities aren’t used to being instructed no and they will afford to run their very own campaigns.

Jackie: So on this state of affairs, what ought to they be doing? Proper? Mental well being group wants a spokesperson. What ought to they be doing?

Gabe: In your instance, in the event that they wish to lend their names, movie star and cash to a psychological well being group, I feel that may be very acceptable as a result of what they’d say is, hello, my title is Joe Celebrity and I would like you to help Mental Health United States of America Nonprofit together with your time and vitality. They’ve the proper info. They’ve vetted it, and I’m utilizing my movie star to lift consideration for it. And likewise, right here’s an entire bunch of cash to allow them to supply their applications, their info, and so on. without spending a dime. I feel that’s terribly acceptable. However that’s not what plenty of these people are doing. They’re exhibiting up on late night time TV saying I’ve melancholy and anxiousness and it was so terrible for me and the stigma was nice. And you need to rent me to let you know my story. How is paying you $25,000 to inform me what it’s wish to be a multi-millionaire with an anxiousness serving to individuals with schizophrenia? And I’m being critical. In case you can inform me how that’s serving to, I’ll again off instantly.

Jackie: I see your level right here, and I may in all probability argue it both means. Proper. I can say sure. Clearly, celebrities with all of their cash and help and no matter their tales should not as relatable as, let’s say, you or I. Nonetheless, does it make their tales any much less true or significant?

Gabe: That is the place life is tough, proper? As a result of there’s an actual human ingredient right here. I don’t wish to inform Joe Celebrity that his story isn’t related as a result of he’s well-known and wealthy. However I do need Joe Celebrity to grasp that his story just isn’t typical and we get into this, I’m going to name it an issue, with all types of advocacy. It’s like white privilege or male privilege. You realize, girls are like, look, you’re getting additional since you’re a person. After which the person says, properly, that’s not truthful. I labored arduous. No one’s saying that you simply didn’t work arduous. We’re simply saying that you simply didn’t have to beat your gender. If you’re rich and you’ve got entry to cash and assets. Your state of affairs just isn’t the identical as the typical Joe non-celebrity who’s being recognized with this stuff. And I might identical to to see one in every of these individuals arise and say, , I’m a multimillionaire. I’m a millionaire. I’ve been world well-known for a decade. And I simply now got here out as a result of that’s how terrified I used to be of admitting that I had a psychological sickness. So I don’t know what hope the remainder of you’ve got that aren’t multi-millionaires, that aren’t world well-known, as a result of I used to be terrified to do it with all of my assets. And also you’re only a common one that could or could not have medical insurance, however that’s by no means the message, is it? The messages is that they’re so courageous that they’re so courageous and we should embrace them by hiring them to talk and inform us how they’re precisely like us, besides they’re not precisely like us in any respect. I would like some acknowledgement that they’re not precisely like us.

Jackie: They’re not. I don’t wish to defend celebrities right here, however I may argue, if I used to be going to argue this level, I don’t know if I’m. However hypothetically, if I have been to argue this level, they’ve much more to lose than your common particular person, let’s say their profession. Sure, you or I may lose our profession as properly. However my profession doesn’t imply shedding tens of millions of {dollars}. It’s worse as a result of then I might in all probability for positive be homeless. They in all probability wouldn’t be homeless. I don’t know. Possibly I’m not arguing this appropriately as a result of I’m speaking myself out of the argument as we’re doing it proper now. I don’t know. On the present, someone who just isn’t depressed acts as a melancholy advocate. That’s not OK. Proper? In case you don’t have it, don’t fake you’ve got it. No good. We will each agree on that.

Gabe: And it’s essential to acknowledge that the explanation {that a} present that’s watched by tens of millions of individuals is lampooning it is because it’s relatable. It’s as a result of it occurs. It’s as a result of it’s occurring. I all the time mentioned that I wish to be so well-known that The Simpsons make enjoyable of me on The Simpsons as a result of The Simpsons solely make enjoyable of you on The Simpsons after you’ve made it. They’re not making enjoyable of individuals you’ve by no means heard of. The explanation that BoJack Horseman, the tv present, was making enjoyable of it is because it’s so constant in our tradition that they made enjoyable of it and they knew that it will get laughs and individuals would relate to it. They’re not making this up out of skinny air. This occurs continually, continually. Our high advocates within the house are out of the blue those who what? What did they do?

Jackie: Nicely, to start with, wonderful use of lampooning, simply saying,

Gabe: I’ve been utilizing huge phrases.

Jackie: Nicely, that was a superb one.

Gabe: We’ll be proper again after these messages.

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Gabe: We’re again discussing the function celebrities play in psychological well being advocacy.

Jackie: Can we cease beating across the bush right here? Who’re you speaking about?

Gabe: I imply, I don’t want a bunch of well-known individuals pissed off at me. I don’t know that I wish to title individuals as a result of I can’t presumably have an exhaustive checklist. And one of many causes that I can’t have an exhaustive checklist is as a result of, you’ve got like, who I think about in all probability essentially the most harmful psychological well being advocate, and that’s Kanye West. He’s terribly harmful. And what he’s saying, and his message, and he’s extraordinarily widespread proper now. However then you’ve got form of the much less offensive individuals. And I’m not going to call them as a result of they’re not essentially charging even for speeches. They simply carry it up. They’re simply minding their very own enterprise in the future. They usually’re like, hey, by the way in which, I’ve melancholy, too. After which there’s an entire article about how, I’m going to say his title, and I really feel dangerous as a result of I really like this man. And I simply noticed his film, Dwayne Johnson. And unexpectedly there’s an article about how The Rock has melancholy. Now, that’s not essentially his fault as a result of he’s not providing himself up as a psychological well being advocate. He didn’t give a press launch. He simply mentioned it in an interview. And now it’s all over the place. So he’s turn into a de-facto melancholy advocate, regardless that he by no means requested for it and isn’t making an attempt to be. And that’s why I take advantage of him for example. That is actually tough. In case you’re someone affected by melancholy, proper? As a result of in any case, The Rock did it, why can’t you? And is his info appropriate? But it surely’s not his info, it’s the media’s info that’s twisting it. Then we’d should do a present on how the media fucks all the things up.

Jackie: Which we completely may. However right here’s the factor. There’s no successful, everyone loses as a result of.

Gabe: Proper.

Jackie: Both The Rock on this instance, which to start with you mentioned Dwayne Johnson, I used to be like, who’s that? As a result of.

Gabe: He’s all the time going to be The Rock.

Jackie: He’d, simply say The Rock. All people simply is aware of him.

Gabe: The Rock.

Jackie: As a result of he says, hey, I’m depressed, which is what we wish everyone to do. We wish it to be normalized, we wish to speak about it and then the media runs with it, which they may. He’s a star and you’re like, that’s annoying. I hate that. But when they wouldn’t have achieved that, you wouldn’t have identified he was depressed. It wouldn’t have been extra normalized. He’s only a regular dude residing with melancholy. It seems like a star can’t come out in your perspective right here as residing with psychological sickness except they’re saying now I’m going to be a high advocate as a result of I really reside with this. In the event that they’re simply casually telling the world I’ve psychological sickness, it’s not OK with you.

Gabe: See, and that sounds actually terrible to me,

Jackie: It’s.

Gabe: Like I wish to beat Gabe up.

Jackie: Yeah.

Gabe: That is what I wrestle with, I’m actually, actually, actually upset after I take into consideration the entire psychological well being advocates which have actually misplaced all the things. A very long time in the past, individuals have been like, Gabe, will you volunteer to do X, Y, and Z at my convention, my nonprofit, my occasion, my drop in heart? And I might all the time level out that they’re not asking me to work without spending a dime. They’re asking me to work for destructive cash. I’m shedding cash as a result of web sites and fuel and podcasts and microphones and studio time, all this shit prices cash. So I’m taking my very own cash and dumping in 1000’s upon 1000’s of {dollars} and a whole bunch of hours. And I don’t have the clout as an off-the-cuff point out by The Rock. Now, that’s not his fault. That’s simply our celebrity-obsessed tradition. But it surely does get to me. It does. I’m not going to lie. It bothers me that celebrities casually point out that they suffered from melancholy 10 years in the past for 20 minutes and they instantly have a platform 100 million occasions the dimensions of individuals like me who’ve been paying my very own means, doing my very own analysis, and speaking to 1000’s of individuals for a decade. And no person desires to hearken to me as a result of, hey, I wasn’t in Jumanji.

Jackie: However Gabe, that is advocacy, proper? Like I see what you’re saying. It’s legitimate, however one, there there’s an area for each advocate in advocacy. Even when The Rock doesn’t wish to be an advocate, the individuals he’s reaching by admitting being depressed are in all probability not the identical individuals we’re reaching. Let’s be actual. Our audiences, I feel, are possibly somewhat bit totally different. Additionally, I don’t know, possibly I’ve this grandiose opinion of the advocacy that we do, and it’s not practically as spectacular as I feel it’s. However I take a look at it like take a look at the work individuals did within the LGBTQ house 30 years in the past. Proper? They did a lot work. They have been protesting. They have been rioting. They have been doing all this bananas stuff. They put their lives in danger. They have been arrested. All this bananas shit, so individuals at this time can simply reside their lives. And whereas the instance just isn’t lateral, I really feel such as you’re doing all this work. You’re spending your cash, your time, your vitality, all of this stuff for not a ton of clout. However the entire level is to make this simpler for individuals sooner or later. Proper? We wish them to really feel like there’s much less stigma. We wish them to really feel supported. We wish them to get assist. That’s why I do that.

Gabe: Yeah, I’m doing it for the cash and the celebrity.

Jackie: You’re within the unsuitable enterprise.

Gabe: No. No, I’m not doing it for the cash and the celebrity.

Jackie: However somewhat bit of cash and fame could be good.

Gabe: I do must eat. I might identical to to pay my payments. I wish to break even somewhat bit. No one ought to really feel sorry for Gabe Howard and I’m genuinely and truthfully not advocating for that. I don’t need a bunch of emails saying, , Gabe, , we’re sorry you could’t eat. I’m a fats man. I can eat simply superb. I’m good. However that is arduous work. And typically it will get to me as a affected person as a result of it. Mental well being advocates usually don’t have plenty of clout and sufferers have even much less clout than that. And I do know it’s so much to be mentioned, and I’m in all probability choosing on celebrities. They’re a simple goal, but it surely’s arduous to observe a multimillionaire cry about residing with anxiousness. Once I go all the way down to the prisons and the jails and I watch them reside with extreme and persistent psychological sickness. Once I’ve gone to funerals of people that have died by suicide. Once I take a look at all of the states that may’t go Medicaid growth. So regardless that now we have individuals prepared, keen, and in a position to get handled for his or her psychological sickness, they will’t see a health care provider as a result of they don’t have insurance coverage. Once I see homeless camps get raided by the police as a result of they’re a blight on the group and I watch individuals die in winter as a result of they will’t discover shelter. And I’m alleged to shed a tear for a multi millionaire? After which I see all of those teams paying them tens of 1000’s of {dollars} to come back converse at their occasions, realizing the horror present that individuals with extreme and persistent psychological sickness are going by. I’m sorry. I simply wish to name bullshit and stroll out of the room. I do. I can’t assist it. I’m positive they’re superb individuals and their moms love them. And I wish to hug them. I do. I’m sorry they went by this, however my preliminary response is, please, you’ve gotta be kidding me.

Jackie: I feel it’s superb if that’s your preliminary response. One in all my favourite issues I realized in remedy is that your first preliminary response is principally what you have been conditioned to suppose all through your entire life. Proper? So in case your first response is one thing that’s arguably destructive or racist or sexist or one thing horrible, it’s type of that deep rooted factor that you simply’ve realized from society, your loved ones, no matter. The second thought that comes a break up second later, that’s actually what you suppose. And that has been actually useful for me in remedy. And I feel, I’m assuming, I’m placing phrases in your mouth, a hundred percent. The primary thought is that is bullshit. That’s not truthful. They’ve all of the assets on the earth. They don’t seem to be recognizing their privilege. And the second thought is that they’re nonetheless individuals. It’s all relative. And in the event that they’re feeling anxious due to no matter’s occurring of their life, that’s nonetheless legitimate.

Gabe: That’s my third response. My second response is, use your privilege, use your movie star. Use your cash to assist the those who I simply talked about and the celebrities who’re doing that, my hats are off to them. And Woman Gaga is one. She is utilizing her place to lift cash for the Nationwide Council to supply Mental Health Youth First Help to lecturers and coaches and assist stem suicide. Hats off to her. Hats off to her and Carrie Fisher. She’s gone now, however she actually did plenty of nice work. However I’m not seeing plenty of that. I’m not.

Jackie: How have you learnt that that received’t be like what The Rock does? It’s important to form of come out, proper? That is him saying, hey, I’ve melancholy. If he was to be a psychological sickness advocate and simply got here on the scene and was like, hey, everyone, I’m depressed, let’s do that collectively, you’d be like, what the hell? Since when is The Rock depressed? That is bullshit. He’s not even actually depressed. All of them do. They’ve to ascertain a baseline of like, hey, I’ve this. Loads of celebrities do that the place they form of come out to the media of like no matter well being ailment they’ve. Loads of them then take that as a stepping stone to doing advocacy. However I feel that if he simply got here out and was working with whoever as their new spokesperson, you’ll have precisely the identical difficulty that you simply had with BoJack Horseman. You’d be like, that is bullshit. That man doesn’t have that factor.

Gabe: So that you’re proper. When The Rock, and I don’t know why we’re choosing on The Rock. That man is so robust. Couldn’t I’ve picked on a weaker man and one which I preferred so much much less? I simply love The Rock. Please, don’t physique slam me when you’re listening. However proper now, he’s obtained plenty of phrases. You’re proper. I’ll respect him extra when he has plenty of actions. However to essentially the most urgent level, he doesn’t should and he didn’t do something unsuitable. I’m type of somewhat bit unhappy that we’re utilizing him for example as a result of all he mentioned was I endure from melancholy. He didn’t cost anyone $25,000 to speak about it. He simply mentioned it out loud. So really, my hat’s off to individuals like him. I’m actually specializing in the individuals which might be being profitable, being well-known and having psychological sickness.

Jackie: I feel we’re saying the identical factor otherwise. So possibly we must always simply comply with agree with a slight aspect of disagreement.

Gabe: Oohh, a aspect of disagreement, I prefer it. And naturally, I’m a hypocrite. The most important hypocrite within the room. I don’t need anyone to cost for a psychological well being speech besides me. It’s type of arduous to get round that, proper? I imply, in order for you me to come back converse at your venue proper now, I’m going to ship you a contract and you bought to present me a stack of cash. And I justify that by saying, properly, hey, I’m not a multi-millionaire as a result of I don’t have my very own TV present. I feel that there’s some some justification in that. However the place does it finish? Like, what number of speeches ought to I give without spending a dime versus what number of are charged for? As a result of I do converse without spending a dime. I do volunteer. And the reply is, I don’t know. I don’t know. But it surely does rub me the unsuitable means. And after I noticed BoJack Horseman speak about it on the present, it validated that as a result of it exhibits that different individuals are seeing it that means, too. And that is trigger for concern. And possibly we must always make some modifications. Possibly. Or possibly not. I don’t run the world.

Jackie: Gabe, when you’ve been listening to this, when you’ve listened to your speech, we all know you’re not a foul man. We simply know you bought payments to pay. Proper?

Gabe: And these are arduous conversations, proper? I don’t get to determine. And that is without doubt one of the issues that I do like concerning the world, that Gabe and Jackie don’t get to determine. However we do get to share our opinions, and I’d be fascinated by listening to what your opinions are. Jackie, what’s the e-mail? So individuals can inform me how unsuitable I’m?

Jackie: [email protected] Ship hate mail with topic line to Gabe.

Gabe: Ought to we ship like constructive mail with topic line to Jackie?

Jackie: Completely.

Gabe: Thanks, everyone, for tuning in. Keep in mind, wherever you obtain this podcast, rank it nevertheless you are feeling is suitable and use your phrases, inform individuals why you prefer it. We might additionally love to come back to your subsequent occasion. Not Loopy travels properly. Hit us up at [email protected] and ebook us to do that reside. Gabe and Jackie in particular person are much more enjoyable than we’re in your ears. We’ll see everyone subsequent week.

Jackie: Have a superb one.

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